tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post4675253958870639596..comments2024-03-28T07:32:42.996-04:00Comments on thwap's schoolyard: Torture Apologists Show Why the Mission Failedthwaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-64982128347194822762009-12-25T11:49:06.807-05:002009-12-25T11:49:06.807-05:00Ignoring basic facts about a country in favour of ...Ignoring basic facts about a country in favour of structured bumpf is not restricted to Coca Cola's "patriotism" ads ( and can you imagine how well that meme sells on any feminist blog ? ).<br />The Durand Line was drawn by the British in such a way that it cut the Pashtun tribe in two : so dysfunctional that it separated goatherders' winter and summer pastures.<br />Afghanistan - whatever else the land of poppies is called - is plagued by chronic environmental destruction from the ravages of foreign assault on its citizens. Starvation is so bad that one can find articles on people selling their children.<br />The Canadian 'effort' is much worse than mere torture : it is part of genocide.opithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-36315493872211027832009-12-23T01:45:20.171-05:002009-12-23T01:45:20.171-05:00"that sane, intelligent person would want to ..."<i>that sane, intelligent person would want to know if this was true, because it would undermine the mission that their soldiers were fighting and dying for.</i>"<br /><br />That is it. That crystalizes the crux of the problem.<br /><br />Proof again that incompetence is as incompetence does ...Real_PHV_Mentarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128624329790456529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-85725999557735834862009-12-19T01:16:14.904-05:002009-12-19T01:16:14.904-05:00I want you to know that i thought about it.I want you to know that i thought about it.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-3597819983159218982009-12-19T00:37:16.108-05:002009-12-19T00:37:16.108-05:00To hell with them.
Excellent conclusion. I would...<i>To hell with them. </i><br /><br />Excellent conclusion. I would have accepted "Fuck 'em", as well.Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-1471237705111245792009-12-18T15:48:19.927-05:002009-12-18T15:48:19.927-05:00That's why i found the whole McCrystal thing s...That's why i found the whole McCrystal thing sick. After 8 years, this new guy says essentially: "Why don't we start trying to do stuff for the actual people of Afghanistan? Y'know, hearts n' minds kinda shit?"<br /><br />As if nobody had ever thought of that before (and rejected it). As if he's sincere about winning hearts n' minds himself.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-10489153708558252242009-12-18T14:24:01.100-05:002009-12-18T14:24:01.100-05:00Of the two mission objectives, capturing bin Laden...Of the two mission objectives, capturing bin Laden and establishing a functional democracy, only one could have been achieved through military action (capturing bin Laden). Neither objective can be achieved satisfactorily now (unless corruption vanishes and attitudes toward women change overnight).<br /><br />The overall mission could have ended somewhat favourably for NATO had NATO been able to keep the trust of the populace. Unfortunately, as you stated, people in charge at NATO don't give a damn about the Afghan people. It starts to show after a while despite all of the nice PR. Talk of "collateral damage" and "acceptable losses" don't mean much to Afghans on the receiving end. Add more unscrupulous behaviour, like the transfer of Afghan detainees to be tortured, and support from the population can vanish very abruptly.<br /><br />Having lost support and cooperation from the population, NATO has found itself on the wrong side of this war, the same way the U.S. ended up in Vietnam. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory/ semi-favourable outcome...no_blah_blah_blahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487214918800237116noreply@blogger.com