tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post480509302417097507..comments2024-03-28T09:38:52.661-04:00Comments on thwap's schoolyard: Another Look At Egerton Ryersonthwaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-32137629510388329072021-10-31T09:45:43.870-04:002021-10-31T09:45:43.870-04:00PLG,
Indeed.PLG,<br /><br />Indeed.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-90923316737105828012021-10-28T19:01:38.154-04:002021-10-28T19:01:38.154-04:00Man, history's complicated, eh?Man, history's complicated, eh?Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-24781051757866544022021-10-28T01:19:59.420-04:002021-10-28T01:19:59.420-04:00PLG,
Sorry for the belated reply. I'm so busy...PLG,<br /><br />Sorry for the belated reply. I'm so busy and distracted these days.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.ryerson.ca/content/dam/next-chapter/Report/Appendix-D_Life-and-legacy_Aug-26.pdf" rel="nofollow">This source</a> shows that Ryerson was very much thinking along much more culturally imperialist lines than the CounterPunch writer describes.<br /><br />Still, Ryerson's past efforts to help the Mississauga people to defend their lands, and his oft-stated desire to see the First Nations succeed as farming are on the credit side.<br /><br />Yes, he wanted to impose Christianity upon them. But he was a missionary. That particular delusion, however destructive, was sometimes genuinely thought to be doing someone an eternal favour.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-76231653614385792182021-10-26T18:56:18.230-04:002021-10-26T18:56:18.230-04:00Well, I searched for, found and read the full arti...Well, I searched for, found and read the full article (which you didn't link to or give the title of, so it took a bit of work). With the context of the full article, it does look like Ryerson was probably not a bad guy, and likely would have preferred schools that, while religious, were nonetheless largely run by the indigenous.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-75360046746757474792021-10-26T12:31:50.811-04:002021-10-26T12:31:50.811-04:00Hmmm . . . The key here seems to be Peter Jones wa...Hmmm . . . The key here seems to be Peter Jones wanting "schools run by Indigenous people themselves as administrators and teachers." Such schools would have been operable to do the kind of stuff he wanted.<br /><br />Clearly the residential schools were not that. To the contrary, they were run by a bunch of religious bigots, which made all the difference. So the question is, was this vision of schools run by indigenous people something Ryerson backed? Or did he want what he in fact got? It would appear from the selection that the latter is true; it says "He thought the churches would run the residential schools", which they mostly did.<br /><br />I think there's a big difference between advocating a Jewish school system run by Jews and advocating for a Jewish school system run by Nazis. I don't think that one can say Ryerson's vision == Ojibwe leader Peter Jones' vision because they both advocated schooling, if Jones wanted schools run by and for indigenous people and Ryerson wanted schools run by and for Catholic colonizing quasi-missionaries.<br /><br />I also don't know much about Ryerson; maybe he actually would have preferred indigenous-run schools, maybe he just didn't get the difference . . . but at first blush it seems like the article is pulling a bit of bait-and-switch special pleading.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.com