tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post9064590532655787779..comments2024-03-28T09:38:52.661-04:00Comments on thwap's schoolyard: On Comparing Canada and Iranthwaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-23637644483009946312009-04-27T13:44:00.000-04:002009-04-27T13:44:00.000-04:00Nice to see you here PSA!
I didn't find Birdy's s...Nice to see you here PSA!<br /><br />I didn't find Birdy's screed helpful either. (Though a lot of his friends did!)<br /><br />The idea that deregulation of everything is the answer, ... and that public healthcare is Stalinism, ... that Rush Limbaugh is a poor misunderstood saint, along with Bill (white, male, Christian power-structure) O'Reilly (the predator) is a genius.<br /><br />Besides, nothing from "Birdy's" robo-call comment really had much to do with what I actually said.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-59605670033528751562009-04-27T12:59:00.000-04:002009-04-27T12:59:00.000-04:00This heaping steamer is what the shortbus daytripp...This heaping steamer is what the shortbus daytrippers from SDA are lining up behind! No wonder you echoing nincompoops are so widely reviled for your lack of depth. <br /><br />"Hello Birdy said...<br />What you describe and rail against is 'statism'. That is a hobby horse of the far left and fascist governments where they exist. The urge to have conformity is a collectivist view. That is far left." <br /><br />Actually if you were to read a little more carefully Birdbrain, Thwap is railing against officers of the state committing crimes against individuals and the mechanisms of the state covering up those crimes. By pretty much any metric, Iran would have to be considered a pretty conservative state, certainly socially if not economically.<br /><br />"The police state of Nazi Germany came from the statist desire for control and conformity. Hitlers(sic) socialist(sic) party wanted everyone to be an obedient Arian(sic).<br /><br />The National Socialist party or Nazis, were a far right fascist party. The very basic political tenets of fascism blame liberal democracies for the creation of class conflicts and blames communism for the exploitation of same. Look up the "March to Berlin" noted as an effort to topple the "Marxist" government of the day. The Nazis were anything but left leaning, they were much closer to your team, complete with racial/religious bigotry.<br /><br />"The conformity in the former Soviet Union and of China and North Korea are all of the Statist variety that comes from far left collectivist thinking."<br /><br />Yes conformity is bad. That's why the left is against individualism and self determination. No hippies, no artsies, no queers, no non-christian religions, no swarthy folk, no immigrants from non western European nations... wait a sec.... my mistake, its the right side of the political spectrum that's against conformity provided you're a white, western, christian male.<br /><br />"That is what Obama is working toward in the USA."<br /><br />Check. Soon everyone in Murka will have to be browner than they are today. God forbid he roll back the advancements made by wee Georgie, none of that nasty habeas corpus or rule of law stuff to get in the way of executive authority. Do you dimbulbs even read the crap you write?<br /><br />"Only individualism and free enterprise can protect us from this sort of hell."<br /><br />Please Birdie do us all a favour and go Galt. You'll supply valuable nutrients to the bugs. The deregulation of "enterprise" is what chucked the economies of the world into the mess we're facing. Chalk up another victory for the sages from the right. <br /><br />"That is the what SDA and the other blogs you mention are working for. More freedom and self-reliance, more individuality in our society."<br /><br />That is unless you're not a straight, white, christian male of western European extraction. Other than that... go freedom and individuality. Face it, the freedom you hanker after is the freedom to be a hateful, dimwitted bigot. A freedom that obviously neither education nor socialization have kept you from.<br /><br />"You must not being actually reading those blogs, but insist you understand their nature. That is what millions of uninformed Americans do to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly."<br /><br />Uh huh. Poor Loimbaugh the junkie sex tourist, so misunderstood. And Mr O'Reilly the workplace sexual harasser, just another misunderstood innocent. Birdie, loosen the straps on your CCm helmet and stop nodding your head in the corner. Limbaugh has stated publicly that he wants the president and thus America to fail as some sort of vindication of his far right screed. He is a treasonous fat arsed, junkie perv. Your team, not ours.<br /><br />"You are confused and do not understand whose(sic) who and what's what on planet earth at this time."<br /><br />Hmm, let's just guess... kaff kaff mooozlims is teh evil. And you'll be able to prove it as soon as the heroes of goodness find those pesky WMDs.<br /><br />"Please do some reading and education(sic) yourself. Your teachers and university profs were lying to you."<br /><br />Oh yes, please do education yourself. Tard.<br /><br />"Learn the meaning of freedom and forget about the false security of the entitlement culture."<br /><br />I am busy exercising the freedom to scoff at your value free platitudes and meaningless talking points. Thanks for educationing us though, very helpful indeed.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-51455856807026530522009-04-27T00:52:00.000-04:002009-04-27T00:52:00.000-04:00rabbit asked:
"What is the cause of this dementia...rabbit asked:<br /><br />"What is the cause of this dementia?"<br /><br />Can't be ignorance or calculation, can it? Or that there really are lying hate-mongers out there, right?<br /><br />Seriously, Woundwort, if you keep posting vapid stuff about tribalism, you're not going to be taken seriously.<br /><br />Got an argument to make, do it; otherwise, fuck off.Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-51500584307241001512009-04-26T17:40:00.000-04:002009-04-26T17:40:00.000-04:00rabbit,
All-ritey then.rabbit,<br /><br />All-ritey then.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-4150289876597016972009-04-26T17:37:00.000-04:002009-04-26T17:37:00.000-04:00Do you know what I find most ludicrous about polit...Do you know what I find most ludicrous about political blogs? How many of them seem convinced that the other side are a bunch of lying hate mongers. <br /><br />I don't know if the web encourages this attitude, or simply reveals it. Perhaps both.<br /><br />What is the cause of this dementia? Probably a mixture of the impersonnel nature of the web plus good ole' "us against them" tribalism.rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371229772899723851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-38792725876538998022009-04-26T17:34:00.000-04:002009-04-26T17:34:00.000-04:00Thwap said:
"I've been unforgivably sloppy both i...Thwap said:<br /><br />"I've been unforgivably sloppy both in writing this thing and responding to you."<br /><br />No, no. When/if you can: RL comes first. No worries.<br /><br />"Do you have a blog?"<br /><br />No, I've got enough on my plate.<br /><br />If you'd prefer, I'll send you my e-mail address.<br /><br />(Had to laugh at your latest addition to your entry; go get 'em.)Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-28655105021835972562009-04-26T16:25:00.000-04:002009-04-26T16:25:00.000-04:00Todd,
I've been unforgivably sloppy both in writi...Todd,<br /><br />I've been unforgivably sloppy both in writing this thing and responding to you. I'm actually swamped with work and I pop in for five or ten minutes every hour or so. You're right, democracy wasn't the right term for respect for the person and Iran isn't a dictatorship. <br /><br />Do you have a blog?<br /><br />rabbit,<br /><br />If you take the trouble to read any of my diatribes and actually critique them, rather than merely whining that I'm unfair, hateful, etc., I'll take the trouble to defend myself.<br /><br />ScottINRMH,<br /><br />More empty words. Meaningless to me.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-24009289067759443232009-04-26T16:19:00.000-04:002009-04-26T16:19:00.000-04:00It's not that us SDA'ers hate you, it's more that ...It's not that us SDA'ers hate you, it's more that we just kind of feel sorry for you. You're the one demonstrating the hate here buddy!ScottINRMHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-27261987901785747712009-04-26T15:40:00.000-04:002009-04-26T15:40:00.000-04:00What keeps the Iranian regime solvent? Hatred and ...<EM>What keeps the Iranian regime solvent? Hatred and fear. </EM>So, Thwap, you thought you would help the situation along by generating hatred and fear of people on the political right? Your demonization of Canadian conservatives is fantastically and ridiculoulsy over the top.rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371229772899723851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-87791130327317751792009-04-26T15:32:00.000-04:002009-04-26T15:32:00.000-04:00Thwap said:
"That place is a theocratic dictators...Thwap said:<br /><br />"That place is a theocratic dictatorship."<br /><br />Um, Iran does have elections for the highest levels of political office (which have to take into account the quasi-elected "clerics" who have their say into matters, mind). If it's a dictatorship of anything, it's a dictatorship of the nationalist bourgeois aided and abetted by conservative religious figures.<br /><br />(Kind of like what the US marginally was for a time and what Canada might turn into.)<br /><br />"They don't see the slippery slope to dictatorship."<br /><br />The bourgeois don't need a political dictatorship at this point; however, it's possible (and, given coming bad times of unrest, more than likely) to have an authoritarian democracy.Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-35429045447469321372009-04-26T12:23:00.000-04:002009-04-26T12:23:00.000-04:00Yeah,
As I understand it, they read about 2 exam...Yeah, <br /><br />As I understand it, they read about 2 examples of state violence.<br /><br />1 place where a journalist can be tortured and killed with only token penalities for her murderers. That place is a theocratic dictatorship.<br /><br />Another place is where 4 police needlessly taser a man, constrict his breathing, refuse to assist the medical responders, allow him to die, lie about what they did, and continue lying during a public inquiry. No charges against these lying killers were laid and it looks like there won't be any charges after this toothless inquiry.<br /><br />The self-described champions of freedom from SDA see nothing ominous in agents of the Canadian state being allowed to kill with impunity. They don't see the slippery slope to dictatorship.<br /><br />It boggles the mind.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-89026234030704990932009-04-26T09:58:00.000-04:002009-04-26T09:58:00.000-04:00Mm-mmm. It's feeding time at the zoo . . . .
(Mi...Mm-mmm. It's feeding time at the zoo . . . .<br /><br />(Mitch writes like a libertarian from his interest in hard currency, but I'll guess he's something of a moderate as he seems to acknowledge society as such.)Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-41440622908489063542009-04-26T00:56:00.000-04:002009-04-26T00:56:00.000-04:00mitchshrader,
I'm not sure which end of the polit...mitchshrader,<br /><br />I'm not sure which end of the political spectrum you're from, but thanks for stating the foundations of my argument that all the mouthbreathers and pompous asses from SDA totally, utterly and completely failed to address.<br /><br />Perhaps because they're the futile dumbasses that I've always said they were.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-14483607898492873492009-04-25T23:44:00.000-04:002009-04-25T23:44:00.000-04:00the outrage is appropriate, if in fact not entirel...the outrage is appropriate, if in fact not entirely professionally presented. <br /><br />might be, from my perspective, that canadians have less experience with casual institutional tyranny than do americans, a blessing indeed. <br /><br />that would be plenty to blame lack of vicious pointed satirical diatribes on, and explain the rather intellectual dispassion unfamiliar to the pit bull dialogues (monologues?) more familiar to your southern neighbors. <br /><br />i'm sort of in favor of personal liberty, freedom, small government and hard currency, which includes low taxes, minimal entitlements, the right to smoke pot or own guns UNTIL HARM TO SOCIETY IS DEMONSTRATED IN COURT.. (i'm not stupid, but freedom & liberty deserve at least ONE chance per individual, at the absolute minimum)..<br /><br />i'm not sure if we'd have more arguements than agreements, working down a list of relevant issues. <br /><br />Killing folks for little cause, lying about it to protect a position of power and a paycheck.. is wrong. <br /><br />No matter if the victim is Middle Eastern, Southern Black, or Polish Canadian.. casual institutional murder is WRONG. <br /><br />And it's not relevant who did it, or how callous it was, or how common it was. <br /><br />If it occurred, punish the criminals appropriately. <br /><br />Rope seems to work once and for all.mitchshradernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-22409797060027095962009-04-25T22:40:00.000-04:002009-04-25T22:40:00.000-04:00As the Talmud states: 'We do not see things as the...As the Talmud states: 'We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are."<br /><br />I popped in via SDA, and found a mental vacuum, with only Thwap's projection system running, on empty.<br /><br />I visited twice tonight..my First, and Last time...TeeJaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-34222525499794480092009-04-25T21:32:00.000-04:002009-04-25T21:32:00.000-04:00Thwap
The insipidities you have elucidated are to...Thwap<br /><br />The insipidities you have elucidated are to be honored. <br /><br />Absolute asininity is a skill.<br /><br />Syncrosyncrodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12473390802320989815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-71368052610976264602009-04-25T20:37:00.000-04:002009-04-25T20:37:00.000-04:00I will be brief and to the point here. If you thin...I will be brief and to the point here. If you think there is ANY resemblance between Canada and Iran or any other country over there I would like to know what bloody planet you are from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-89300628020708022102009-04-25T20:28:00.000-04:002009-04-25T20:28:00.000-04:00This is satire right?This is satire right?Philanthropistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-48175766036170372362009-04-25T17:14:00.000-04:002009-04-25T17:14:00.000-04:00Yo homs - zackly what Hello Birdy saidYo homs - zackly what Hello Birdy saidAgent Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-46294262900285838842009-04-25T16:43:00.000-04:002009-04-25T16:43:00.000-04:00thwap,
You've reached the "big time". This post h...thwap,<br />You've reached the "big time". This post has been linked by the 4-time winner of the Best Canadian Blog and 2009 Best Conservative blog. You've been "sda-lanched".<br />Of course, now that we've visited, all we can say is that there's nothing intelligent to see here. But hey, thanks for the unintended chuckles.Another Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-49113804252829069282009-04-25T15:47:00.000-04:002009-04-25T15:47:00.000-04:00Oh! Take your time . . . .Oh! Take your time . . . .Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-68438719594592233892009-04-25T13:44:00.000-04:002009-04-25T13:44:00.000-04:00Todd,
No idea what caused that. I did leave a sn...Todd,<br /><br />No idea what caused that. I did leave a snarky comment on "Dust My Broom" recently.<br /><br />I really got a kick out of the prankster who said I should give the intellectuals at SDA more respect!<br /><br />I can't reply adequately to your weightier contributions at present.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-88397976864542827902009-04-25T12:47:00.000-04:002009-04-25T12:47:00.000-04:00Thawap said:
"but there are also some very real d...Thawap said:<br /><br />"but there are also some very real democratic traditions that we've managed to win from our heritage"<br /><br />"Democratic traditions"? Isn't your post concerned about legal restraints on state security forces vs. individual safety? That and democracy are loosely related, granted, but still two different things (I'm thinking of classical Athens and post-Restoration Parliament in England clear up to the early 20th century: both democratic but not really interested in "rights of persons" as such).<br /><br />But getting back to my point, while those traditions and legal restraints on the State are there, valid, and serve as markers of progress, what makes you think that the Canadian state can't or hasn't cladestinely ignored them or fashioned such laws in a way that renders oversight toothless? The killing or murder of civilians by state security forces has the same "salutary" effect for the ruling class: see what happens if you try to buck or question the system "too much"?<br /><br />Iran is hardly some model to follow just because it's more open about giving even less of a damn than Canada does, but it's not much worse either.<br /><br />Apropos of the sudden smell around here, does your blog always get such a large number of right-wing pinheads, Thwap? Didn't see such a herd around here before, last few times I read . . . .Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-14400245685840268822009-04-25T12:41:00.000-04:002009-04-25T12:41:00.000-04:00Hello birdy said it all.Hello birdy said it all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2022452485619502579.post-51762113289431469792009-04-25T12:38:00.000-04:002009-04-25T12:38:00.000-04:00wow, you're retarded.wow, you're retarded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com