Did I Break Dr. Dawg's Blawg?

No I didn't. The morning after the events in question I was able to access it. Strangely enough, the comment that I tried to post and which I thought might be responsible for breaking his blog is still in the comment window, un-posted.

What happened is that I was having a discussion with one of the more loathsome trolls who defile Dawg's site, kygntath-sdfl (or something similar), and Dawg's site now has this comment software called "Disqus" which is one of those systems that collate separate discussions into separate, increasingly narrow columns. Me, kygagn-tsa, and one "Niven," were having a "disqussion" that was starting to get unreadable, with such narrow columns requiring considerable scrolling down to read not very much. I decided to make one more reply to kygag-sfdas, as he/she/it, had left hisself/herself/itself glaringly exposed as a stupid incompetent, that I couldn't resist. However, once I clicked on "post" the little icon symbolizing work in progress started spinning and wouldn't stop. I clicked on "cancel" but nothing happened. I exited the site. I tried to return to Dawg's blog later but couldn't. I used ephemeral's computer and still couldn't access it. I was worried that I'd somehow, someway, mysteriously broken his site.

Turns out that everything's fine, but I'm not going to try submitting that reply again. Instead, I think I'll make my discussion with kgyag-sdfj the topic of today's post!

On most days, I think kdfaj-fjdfaj is a complete waste of skin. I'd have banned him from here long ago because the person doesn't debate, but instead, types bizarre right-wing drivel and provides links to shit-heads like Mark Steyn, Michelle Malkin, or something equally odious as if they validated his garbage (and as if we'd even bother to read them to find out). kyafaf-vafjl evidently has some mental ability however. The individual apparently types coherently in more than a couple of languages other than English. (At least that appears to be the opinion of other commentators who know one of the languages and who reply in kind. Personally, I prefer kygago-aasdf's non-English posts, because while I'm sure that they're substantively just as stupid and nonsensical as his English ones, I'm blissfully ignorant of just how stupid they are, being only barely capable of communicating in English. It's like when a friend of mine had some friends from Germany over and they began discussing something among themselves. They sounded really smart and cultured, but it turned out they were just talking about where they wanted to go for dinner.) But yesterday, I decided to draw kygagn-dfa out and challenge him/her/it on the non sequiturs it was babbling. The exercise was somewhat valuable in that I exposed, to my satisfaction, the intellectual barrenness of the "conservative" argument against the contempt of Parliament ruling, the cowardice of right-wing blowhards when they're called on their bullshit, and, finally, I got an insight into the latest example of colossal right-wing stupidity on another important subject.

Let's begin:

Dawg's post referred to the numerous atrocities of the harpercon government followed by the distressing news that they'd received a bump in the polls:

Sometimes all you can do is laugh. I know I’m laughing as I write this, but it’s nervous laughter, perhaps even mildly hysterical.

Has anyone ever seen a kampaign like this?

The Prime Minister, mistaking the Kanadian people for the Konservative Kaukus, has imposed iron discipline on the hustings.

The press will be allowed only five questions per day.

Background checks on all who wish to attend his rallies will be conducted by the RCMP. Anyone found to have opinions or connections other than true-blue Konservative will be barred or ejected.

The RCMP is currently headed by William Elliott, a Harper appointee. He personally gave convicted felon Bruce Carson the top-level security clearance required to work in the Prime Minister’s Office.

Now (h/t reader Sir Francis, in the comments) he’s been asked by the man who appointed him to investigate the man he cleared.

The CBC report to which I just linked initially included reference to Elliott’s “anger management” issues. This reference has been pulled.

The media are doing a lot of pulling these days. Kanaries? Koal mine?

The number of staff available to throw under the Big Blue Bus as gaffe follows gaffe is reportedly dwindling. But they don’t appear to be needed at this point. Harper is enjoying a surge in popular support. He may obtain his coveted majority.

Funny. I’ve stopped laughing.

kygaj-adslfj replied to the effect that he was enjoying everything:

I see I started something with this "koalition" stuff.

"Funny. I’ve stopped laughing."

But I just started.

Robert McClelland tried to demonstrate to keyrarf-asdf that extensions of executive power might come back to bite the "conservatives" on the ass by pointing to the Democrat Obama's appropriation of bush II's overreaching:

Republicans were repeatedly warned that Bush's abuses of power would come back to haunt them when the next Democrat came to power. They laughed and blindly justified every abuse. Your laughter won't last long either.

kyrearp-dafs then blurted out this ahistorical nugget:

OK, but here it's the other way round. The Liberals laid the groundwork for losses of freedoms in so many ways, and this government is not as fast at undoing their damage as (maybe a majority) of us would like.

I decided to take kayfgaf-aff to task for that nonsense:

kyngath-asljf,

The harpercons are "undoing their [the Liberals'] damage"? What planet are you from? You are so dangerously ignorant.

Do you have any grasp of the ramifications of allowing the government to alter documents and lie to Parliament about it? Do you have any clue what sort of precedent is set by allowing governments to ram bills through Parliament without anyone knowing anything about the likely costs and impacts of the legislation?

I must confess kyranf-afd, when you mentioned your having a grandchild a few days ago I was literally staggered. I couldn't believe you were anything other than some right-wing high school student, what with your consistent cluelessness and childish sense of humour.

kgagu-fasdf decided to expand upon our personal dislike for each other, before returning to his/her/its incoherent rambling about harper's abuses of democracy:

"I must confess kyranf-afd, when you mentioned your having a grandchild a few days ago I was literally staggered."

Not as staggered as I was when I read on your blog that you're an OK guy in person, considering all the vindictive rubbish you come up with there.

"Do you have any clue what sort of precedent is set by allowing governments to ram bills through Parliament without anyone knowing anything about the likely costs and impacts of the legislation?"

You mean the Harper gov't HAS JUST SET THE PRECEDENT?

Why don't you do some ... er ... background reading?

"Do you have any grasp of the ramifications of allowing the government to alter documents and lie to Parliament about it?"

Bev Oda should have read her departmental staff the Riot Act and fired a couple of them at the start, I agree she didn't handle that one well.

And a Harper majority could announce a reopening of the Somalia Inquiry ....

kygagnt-ista's reference is to the Somalia Inquiry into the torture and murder of Shidane Arone. It was abruptly shutdown by Chretien when it appeared to be making too sweeping an investigation of the moral rot at the higher levels of the military and government. This compelled Inquiry Commissioner, Peter Desbarats to write his book Somalia Cover-Up (which I own a copy of).

Now, let's pause here and talk about the Liberals' shutting-down of the Somalia Inquiry for a bit. This is an important topic and kygnag-atdf's use of it is telling. It's demonstrative of how petty partisan self-interest, intellectual and moral dishonesty, and etc., befoul's the political climate in Canada. The cover-up of the roots of the abominations in Somalia obviously strikes to the heart of who we are as a nation and what sorts of people occupy the highest levels of power in this country. Now, whereas I am as appalled at Chretien's abuse of power to shut-down an independent inquiry in order to cover-up the matter, while being equally, if not more appalled at harper's abuse of power and abuse of the concept "national security" to prevent inquiries into whether we handed over people to torture in Afghanistan, kygagtn-adf sees these abuses as rhetorical sticks to beat political opponents with. To whit:

"Your party is hypocritical for attacking my party's violations of human rights and international law, because your party did the same thing when in power."

Wouldn't it be a complete gas if kygnagot-afa were able to realize that if his party is attacking human rights and violating international laws, that maybe he should not support his party? Maybe it should be "A pox on both your houses!" Of course, kgyago-afa probably has all sorts of stupid reasons for believing that sometimes it's necessary to have to torture and murder, with propping-up a corrupt government of rapists and thieves in Afghanistan being one such vital instance. But then we're reduced to two sets of scum-bags shouting back and forth at each other:

"I'm going to tell everybody that you have regular sex with your mom while she's in a coma!"

"Oh yeah? Well what about you pimping out your kids to feed your crack habit? What about that huh?"

What both the vermin in that conversation fail to realize is that the exposing of their mutual crimes only fills normal people with disgust. If one or the other of those morons turned to bystanders and shouted "Am I right or what?" they'd be met with looks of disgust. kgyagf-daf would, if he were one of those sleazy scumbags, be completely bewildered by the looks of disgust.

Niven took up the cudgels next, trying to talk sense to kysaggn-asdff. Let's read:

k_z "You mean the Harper gov't HAS JUST SET THE PRECEDENT?"

So you are okay with the Liberals NDP or Bloc ramming through legislation if they get a minority government? With failing to provide proper cost estimates and with holding from Parliament and Parliamentary Commissions document and information that is vital to their ability to represent us? Screaming that the Cons are able to do it because the Liberals did it before, ignores the fact that none of them should be able to do it. They are my employees and serve at the pleasure of Canadians like myself, they do not serve one man at the head of the party, but millions across Canada.

k_z "Bev Oda should have read her departmental staff the Riot Act and fired a couple of them at the start, I agree she didn't handle that one well"

So as far as you are concerned the crime here was not Bev Oda applying the word "not" to the document after it was passed by department heads, and applied in such a manner that it would appear the department heads were supportive of cutting off funds, the crime was that underlings did not fall on the sword to protect her and the Party.
When she took that job she was not conversant enough with actual criteria to make a decision on policy. Now, the assertion that she should have read the riot act to her staff can only mean, to me, that you do not base your opinions on facts and figures that departments and organizations will have at hand in order to formulate effective policies, but instead you would prefer policies be formulated simply through ideology, with the figures created after the fact to support this ideology. Otherwise your belief that firing a few would serve any useful purpose beyond pure partisanship is not reasonable.

"And a Harper majority could announce a reopening of the Somalia Inquiry ..."

To what end? Was there not a Commission that already looked into the affair, and charges and punishments rendered? Pointing out past sins of other governments to justify sins of present or future governments is very childlike.

Aside from his rose-coloured memories of the Somalia Inquiry, Niven makes quite good sense. How did the twit kygag-affad respond?

"So you are okay with the Liberals NDP or Bloc ramming through legislation if they get a minority government? With failing to provide proper cost estimates and with holding from Parliament and Parliamentary Commissions document and information that is vital to their ability to represent us? "

Not really, but it's just what governments do, have done, and will always do.

That's a lie, right there. kygagn-adfa imagines that everyone does this but it's only "conservatives" who debase the procedures so blatantly. Because they're incompetents and sleaze-balls.

"... none of them should be able to do it."

And how do you propose to change that?

Notice again, how kygag-dsfadf is perfectly happy with his debased model of democracy. If you truly believed that "everybody" behaved so corruptly, wouldn't you do something other than pick one team and cheer them on, right or wrong? (These are important issues, and in case anyone has forgotten, the team that kygagn-asdf is cheering on, which holds the same debased version of parliamentary democracy as he does, has actually formed the government in this country.)

"When she took that job she was not conversant enough with actual criteria to make a decision on policy. Now, the assertion that she should have read the riot act to her staff can only mean, to me, that you do not base your opinions on facts and figures that departments and organizations will have at hand in order to formulate effective policies, but instead you would prefer policies be formulated simply through ideology, with the figures created after the fact to support this ideology. "

The public service is supposed to implement the policy as decided by the government (as even Sir Humphrey would acknowledge). Years of Liberal one-party rule in this country led to massive Liberal inbreeding in the public service (which the Conservatives should make an issue), with all sorts of ongoing major and minor subversions (the best example thereof being the development of the NEP by public servants even under the Joke Lark interregnum). There's been a change in government, and funding organisations like KAIROS is one of the things that have ended. Deal with it.

"And a Harper majority could announce a reopening of the Somalia Inquiry ..."

"To what end?" Why DID Doug Young shut it down? And there's always Adscam, and Gagliano, etc.

This prompted my reply to the dunce:

knygat-aaf,

I shouldn't be surprised that your attempt at rational, fact-based debate has turned out badly for you.

No other government has attempted to argue that cabinet secrecy permits the withholding of such things as routine cost-estimates. That's why Milliken's rulings have been called "historic" and why harper's behaviour has been called ""unprecedented."

Canadian politics has not always been this authoritarian or contemptuous of the law and of democracy. I believe what harper and you are doing is called "projection" wherein you imagine that the world is as debased and thuggish as yourselves.

Your babbling about Bev Oda shows your continued talent for missing the point. The harpercons had every right to defund KAIROS if that was what they wanted to do. What they are NOT allowed to do is to alter public documents after the fact to justify their decision. They are NOT allowed to lie to the committee about how that happened.

The rest of your "B-but the LIBRULLS!" twaddle I'll leave to just sit up there like the pathetic, miserable, hypocritical garbage it is.

Apparently you're reading my blog. You must already know that I've established that harper's contemptuous treatment of Parliament while only enjoying a minority government shows that he was either daring the opposition to defeat him or that he's utterly incompetent as a Parliamentarian. Who else did he think was going to rule on his behaviour if not Parliament itself, the majority of whose members OPPOSE him?

This is a government incapable of rising to the occasion. Incompetent, anti-democratic, and loathsome.

Now, the thing about my response is that it's true. No other government has presumed that Parliament can't have cost-estimates, just as no other prime minister in any other Westminster style parliamentary system has ever abused the power of prorogation the way harper did. All of kygagaot-asdff's bluster of "Oh, everybody does it!" is complete bullshit. Furthermore, no matter which team you back, you simply have to challenge the notion that ministers can alter documents and lie to Parliament about it with absolutely no consequences. But remember again, that the person holding these noxious views is one of many supporters of a party which evidently believes this, and there are enough people, either ignorant or sleazy enough, that supports that party that it actually formed our government from 2006-2011! It's deadly serious to know how these people think and how they defend themselves and how they respond when people call them on their lies. So, how did kgyag-asdfj respond?

"You must already know that I've established..."

well, no. You haven't really established anything at all, except provided strong circumstantial evidence for a narcotic that might be drunk, smoked, or snorted, which we will provisionally call "thwap".

Well, obviously, I couldn't let that stand:

kdfai-asdfk,

Typical of your ilk. Unable to argue your idiotic views honestly, you resort to meaningless snark.

Go on home boy. These are serious issues we're discussing here. You're simply not up to the job.

However, if you don't want to go home, if you want to prove to us that you're intelligent enough to argue here, put some brain-power behind your next reply:

1. Given that harper's denial of cost-estimates was unprecedented...
2. Given that it was a no-brainer that the Speaker would decide this was behaviour contemptuous of Parliament ...
3. Given that harper knew that it would be Parliament which would rule as to whether he was in contempt or not ...
4.Given that harper only had a minority government and that therefore the majority of the MPs would rule against him ...

How is it at all possible that harper was either trying to force an election OR he believed he'd get away with his unprecedentedly contemptuous treatment of Parliament unless he's an incompetent?

Either way, how can you support such a blatantly contemptuous attitude towards legislative oversight?

Niven tried again to reason with the idiot. All good stuff, but I shan't post it here. This is already quite long. But Niven's comment produced (among other things) this response:

Bev Oda was basically blameless here. She succumbed to the "soldier ants of political correctness" (thank you, George Jonas!) too easily. I actually watched an example today of a lady seeing a document she had signed (written in her own writing) among a pile of others and panicking because she couldn't remember signing it.

I tried again to get kygagnto-asdfa to confront the significance of his own putrid beliefs in reply to this:

karu-fasdf,

"Bev Oda was basically blameless here. She succumbed to the 'soldier ants of political correctness' (thank you, George Jonas!) too easily. "

Missed the point again moron.

It's not about whether the "Liberal" bureaucracy wants to fund the "Jew-haters." It's that Bev Oda signed a document recommending KAIROS be funded, the government deciding after the fact that KARIOS be de-funded, and altering the document with the inserted "NOT" after the fact, after which, Oda lied about the whole thing.

I guess reading people like George Jonas and etc., has turned your brains to garbage so that you can't process even the simplest concepts. It's probably far beyond you to even have an inkling of what tolerating that sort of behaviour can lead to.

Now, begging your indulgence ladies and gentlemen, but here's where I introduced a new topic which produced another avalanche of stupidity from kygaojf-asdfaf on another highly important subject:

Off-topic, but before i go; It really tickled me to read how you doubt that I can be a nice guy in 3-d life given all the "vindictive rubbish" I type here. Coming as it does from monster who sided with the Mubarak dictatorship you must know that such criticisms are meaningless to me.

kgagy-asdfa never replied to my comments on Bev Oda or my set of questions about harper's contempt. He did see fit to attempt to rationalize his support for the Mubarak dictatorship by arguing that he was right to support torture and oppression and theft because he knew from the start that the Egyptians are unfit to govern themselves:

"Coming as it does from monster who sided with the Mubarak dictatorship you must know that such criticisms are meaningless to me."

Er ... no. What I actually said that was that Mubarak might be replaced with something worse, and therefore may be the best of several bad options.

This happens over and over again, cf. Scotland 1637, England 1645-1648, France 1789, Russia 1917, Cuba 1959, Iran 1979,

and looks like it's happening in Egypt


http://www.miamiherald.com/201...

The link goes to a story about fundamentalist violence across Egypt. Suffice to say, kygag-asdf's selective concern for the happiness of Egyptians didn't extend to the people in Mubarak's prisons, torture chambers, or the people afraid to walk the streets at night because of Mubarak's thugs. I pointed this out:

ksdaf-asdf,

brilliant dude. now go find a story about one of Mubarak's torture chambers. i'm sure you could find some doozies!

"whing!" ... everything just goes right over your head, doesn't it boy?

(I see you've abandoned any attempts to pontificate on Canadian politics. Wise move.)

kygagt-asdf then, for some mysterious reason, thought he could be clever, pointing to a story about the "new" abuses of women being reported in post-Mubarak Egypt:

http://www.care2.com/causes/wo...

according to your reasoning, you support the above.

He then made one last comment to me about the situation in Canada, which, as you can see, has nothing to do with the very clear questions that I asked of him, but is instead, a bunch of stupid whining about media bias followed by empty-headed blustering of his team's likely electoral success. With that, kygagn-asf surrendered any right to ask to be taken seriously. His party has abused the democratic process. kygagot-adf is alright with that because kgagaog-asdfa loathes democracy. Which makes it all the more sickening that the scum presumes to withhold democracy from the Egyptians because they're supposedly incapable of it.

"(I see you've abandoned any attempts to pontificate on Canadian politics. Wise move.)"

I'm laughing at all the boilingly nuclear media bias, the passes given to Mrs. Iggy Winkle's campaign (even maybe sideswiping Jack Layton), and anticipation of the exploding heads when it's over.

Your blog the morning after the majority is announced will be funnier than anything "This hour" comes up with.

What follows is the comment that I tried to submit and which made me think I broke dawg's blawg:

Boy are you ever stupid. Are you suggesting that the Egyptian military has been taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood?

Boy! That was fast!

Those are Mubarak's torturers you dim-wit! Those are the same guys who women were afraid to encounter on the street during Mubarak's day!

On the subject of Canadian politics, ... now you're whining about media bias. It's so pathetic. You're completely incapable of defending your hero's undemocratic contempt for Canadian democracy so now you're reduced to whining that the big, bad media is being unfair to him.

Contemptible.

kdaf-adfj, it might very well be the case that harper gets a majority, but it will have nothing to do with strength of political argument. He and all his supporters are all like you: unable to argue your way out of a paper bag!

I asked you some very simple questions about harper's contempt and you're unable to honestly face them. Because you're a useless hack.

So, that's that. Knowing right-wing "conservatives" kygagkj-sdf will no doubt refuse to engage with me on the substantive issues where I've demonstrated him to be an idiotic ignoramus. No, kygag-asdf, if he's read this far, is no doubt formulating some variant of the "gee! i must be so important for you to blah, blah, blah." But, as I've tried to make clear, ... kygagnt-asdf is not alone in his ignorance and stupidity. The reason I even bother acknowledging this idiot's existence is because he (she/it) is part of a large number of numbskulls who support a party that has become our government. kgagag-dkg's views on Egypt are shared by enough people that the scuzzy Obama administration gets to frame the debate as whether Obama is dangerously naive in helping the struggle for democracy or whether he is far-seeing and heroic in that support. The real story of course is that Obama is trying to contain the revolution by eliminating the puppet-dictator who outlived his usefulness and getting a new tier of high-level military torturers and lickspittles to betray their people and carry out the USA's wishes.

About those "virginity tests" being imposed upon women protesters in Egypt. It's apparently the new right-wing meme about how Arabs and/or Muslims are unfit for self-government. Shit-heads like kygagt-afaf reveal their titanic ignorance by blaming this on some pervasive misogynist sentiment among Arab men, rather than using their goddamned brains and realizing that the Egyptian military and police are still full of the same people who worked for Mubarak. These rapes are being done by the servants of US imperialism, trying to demonstrate to everyone in Egypt, male, female, young, old, that they've had their moment, but now it's back to business as usual.

kygaga-sdfa is representative of the complete moral and intellectual vacuum at the heart of modern-day "conservatism." He/she/it is contemptuous of democracy at home and abroad, for reasons having to do with ignorance and insanity. They cannot be expected to profit from debate. They're incapable of normal thinking. Debating with them is, as in this instance, merely a format for exposing their failings.