I don't have a lot of time today, so I think that I'll reprint what I just submitted at "Atheist Conservative," ... in response to his and others' condemnation for Canadian Cynic for not providing respectful dialogue with the nazis and fruit-cakes of the Blogging Tories. Here goes:
I think some of you are labouring under the delusion that the BTs deserve some sort of substantial, respectful critique.
They don't. They deserve exactly what CC gives them, hence his popularity.
Case in point, smalldeadanimals' celebratory link to that moronic anti-global warming book where the guy compared the earth's atmosphere to a sealed thermos.
As far as respectful discourse and dialogue goes, nonsense. For decades now, I've watched and listened as right-wing blowhard bullies have shouted and shamed the left into defensiveness or silence. Since the end of the 1970s the right-wing has gone from strength to strength with no real opposition, and we see the bitter fruits with us today.
The right-wing hardcore is comprised of really stupid people. Frightfully stupid people. The people too stupid to invent cover stories for their bigotry and class warfare the way the Liberals do. They are a blight on society. They're the lead-paint covered toys in the market-place of ideas. It's high time that they were mocked and scorned into the oblivion they so richly deserve.
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CC needs no defence. I frankly don't know how he keeps it up, but his is the first blog I check out in the morning.
If the cons want respectful dialogue, they ought to deal with the trolls in their midst.
Yay thwap!
Thwap, thanks for leaving a comment on my blog.
There are two different methods to debate someone online. You can debate their ideas, or you can debate their validity to present them.
CC provides a lot of entertainment, but it's more effective and professional to debate an idea than it is to debate the person.
Your case-in-point of SDA's climate change denial is a valid point. Does that mean someone with the readership of SDA should be ridiculed as a person? Or should the idea be defeated on it's false merits? Which is going to fly better with the people that read it? Which is going to improve the understanding of the issue?
When you start letting insults fly, you get ignored.
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You're argument that right-wingers are a blight on society isn't a fair argument. The CPoC is a big tent party. I, as a now outspoken Atheist in my own riding, have been nominated, and seconded to run as a delegate for the Policy Convention.
My arguments are heard and respected despite our differences on Religion, Abortion, Human Rights (which I have yet to blog about), and Bill C-51 (I support it, haven't blogged about it much yet either).
Arguing that right-wingers are all uneducated climate deniers is a fallacious argument.
(cross posting on my blog as well)
See, if you are so open minded, and so awesomely rational, why on earth would you run under that flag?
You think its fine Jim Dandy that the CPoC is made up of crackpots and authoritarians who really are pushing their religious agenda on the rest? You think you can change them? (A really common basis for all dysfunctional relationships: You can "change" the other party) That's a pretty naive way of thinking.
If you are supporting them on the "fiscal responsibility" rhetoric, then we happen to be able to document where you are truly deluded as well.
Are you supporting them because of their environmental stances? Corporate welfare? Their "free market" AKA Corporatism ideology?
Their security, (Failed US mythology) law'n'order (more failed US mythology) delusions?
If you answer YES to any of the above, you are a right winger (North Star Republican Franchise), and are subject to the same ridicule. That's how that works.
Sorry, you really should be able to accept what you support merely by association. Your buddies in the CPoC wouldn't have it any other way.
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thwap said: "As far as respectful discourse and dialogue goes, nonsense. For decades now, I’ve watched and listened as right-wing blowhard bullies have shouted and shamed the left into defensiveness or silence. Since the end of the 1970s the right-wing has gone from strength to strength with no real opposition, and we see the bitter fruits with us today."
What constantly amazes me about fundamentalist right-wing neo-con bloggers is their inability to recognize how their very own M.O. is crude, bullying, vicious, spurious and hateful.
It’s only when examples are provided, or that responses are tit-for-tat that they act like innocent injured bystanders. Then more moderate rightwingers swarm to their rescue.
I started blogging in response to a CERTAIN blogger’s hateful propaganda about feminists and the right to choose.
Media-savvy jerks like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have pumped up the volume and lowered the quality of discourse, with regards to issues that play out in the political arena.
Holding fundamentalist dumbfuckery and neocon rightwingnuttery up to the ridicule it deserves remains one of our most effective weapons.
dr. dawg,
I honestly didn't know what else to title that entry, ... and I didn't know if I'd be able to type anything else today.
Especially as my old pal trog69 showed up today after a long absence, and I knew that I must type something in reply to him.
Thankfully, my 11 3/4's year-old has been napping for two hours.
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If you answer YES to any of the above, you are a right winger (North Star Republican Franchise), and are subject to the same ridicule. That's how that works.
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That's just it. Should "I" be subject to ridicule? or should the "ideas" be subject to ridicule?
The CPoC is a big tent party, many people believe different things.
lore_weaver,
I thought "pale" said what I was going to say.
Just look at what your party does: blatant manipulation of parliamentary procedure, blatant indifference to torture and human-rights violations, smearing opponents of Israeli policies as anti-Semites, etc.
You'll notice, CC didn't smear you, he just said that if you don't want the company you keep to be derided as lunatics and scumbags, then take steps to make sure that they aren't.
Kate McMillan gets the "KKKate" treatment from me because she's about as bigoted, stupid, hateful and evil as any klansperson. She deserves the label. She's called for the re-opening of the residential schools for kryssakes!
I've tried to debate with the morons at "the politic" and SDA and other places. I've recounted some of these efforts here. Complete waste of time. And the damage these vermin do to our political culture is incalculable.
And by the way ...
Hi debeauxos!! Amen sister.
Sorry, this reaction is delayed...
That's just it. Should "I" be subject to ridicule? or should the "ideas" be subject to ridicule?
The CPoC is a big tent party, many people believe different things.
You too then. By your tacit support of all of those things, you are in the big tent with all the other clowns.
This isn't your fathers conservative party. Get it?
And thank you for that mental image.....Very apt description. That may be the topic of an upcoming fotoshop. The Big Clown tent of the CPoC.
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