Red Tory discusses them on Scott's Dia Tribes and concludes that they're just a small, insignificant minority of blowhards and morons who aren't representative of the majority of Conservative Party of Canada supporters. Some more discussion is picked up here at Canadian Cynic.
While it's true that the BT's are a tiny cesspool of racism and filth, I don't think they are quite all that inconsequential. Most CPC voters are shallow, mindless idiots who think a tax-cut would be more important than forestalling Armageddon, and who don't pay a second thought to the anti-social, dangerous nature of their political choice. Many of the rest are people who vote CPC in the hopes that they'll bring on Armageddon (fanatical devotion to Israeli militancy and bush II's insanity and all that) and the tax-cuts are a nice side dish.
What the BT's do (beside reveal their stupidity on a day-to-day basis) is act as the bona-fide vanguard of this movement of enraged entitlement. They're like Dick Cheney's laughably phony "intelligence." The BT's say something, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how bad a job they do spreading the gospel of corruption and fraud according to Stephen Harper, ... and they get other people to think that there's a sentiment for this stupidity somewhere in the country and the CPC leadership and their corporate masters can point to this as justification for their actions.
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I don't think your characterization of Conservative supporters is fair - or accurate. While I find that most BTs who contact me seem to have emotional issues, I think Canadians vote conservative for a number of reasons. Among them I think you'll find a good number of progressives who are just holding their noses in hopes that the Republicanization of the CPC will pass. Slagging them collectively, though, sounds a lot like what I've come to expect from the BTs.
While it's true that the BT's are a tiny cesspool of racism and filth ... Most CPC voters are shallow, mindless idiots who think a tax-cut would be more important than forestalling Armageddon, and who don't pay a second thought to the anti-social, dangerous nature of their political choice. Many of the rest are people who vote CPC in the hopes that they'll bring on Armageddon (fanatical devotion to Israeli militancy and bush II's insanity and all that) and the tax-cuts are a nice side dish.
Do you know what the scary thing is? There are actually people who believe what you just wrote!
Partisanship has the power to turn people's minds to mush. The "thought process" that drove you to write this drivel is the same process that drives soccer fans to assault opposing soccer fans. It's just "us against them".
You're a fascinating case study, thwap.
Oh. My.
Well, it's not like we haven't all thought the same thing. Still, it takes some stones to say something like that out loud.
Good luck.
[duck]
the mound of sand,
Well, about Conservative voters, ... I live in Ontario, and I can't but fail to wonder about loyal supporters of the provincial-level party that caused such destruction to society as Mike Harris's PC's. And people who went to the polls again and again to vote for that party and its thoroughly lacklustre leaders.
People died in ambulances that couldn't find an emergency room that would take them. People died from drinking tap water!
And I can only imagine the shallow people who voted for more tax-cuts or more poor-bashing, infrastructure-destruction.
Those people holing their noses and hoping this wave of nonsense will pass? How's that supposed to happen if they're asleep at the switch.
thwap,
Have you read the Faulkner report on schools yet? There is a lot about Harris's government in that document. The violent school issue we have here in Toronto specifically and Ontario more generally is due to the Harris government. The issue of violence in schools was dealt with by Bob Rae's NDP government but when the Harrisites took control they cancelled all the recommendations that were turned into legislation just because it came from a NDP government, no other reason. Then they continued the problem by cutting programs already in existence. Fast forward to today and you have the results. School slayings and other violence.
The report was pretty damning on how political parties operate in that they make promises on the fly without understanding the ramifications (governing by polls) and automatically cancel programs/legislation because it came from another political ideology and not because it wouldn't work.
rabbit,
I can't remember if you're a decent person like "the mound of sand," ... opposed to extremism of any sort and hoping to rationally and reasonably come to the truth, ... or whether you're a passive-aggressive apologists for right-wing holocausts.
Your line: "Partisanship has the power to turn people's minds to mush. The "thought process" that drove you to write this drivel is the same process that drives soccer fans to assault opposing soccer fans. It's just 'us against them.'"
... is actually quite weak. You could just as easily type such drivel to condemn someone for holding steadfast to the truth that 2+2=4, and insisting that anyone who maintains otherwise is innumerate.
What do you get when you vote "conservative"? At least Liberal voters have the out that their nauseating party lies to them and says that it supports peace, social justice, compassion. "Conservative" parties are enthusiastic war-mongers, enthusiastic implementers of failed, mean-spirited social legislation. Unapologetic increasers of inequality.
What's there left to say? Harper advertises himself as a "loyal bushie," and would quite clearly have placed us in Iraq beside the US. As it is, he's reduced to obstructing enquiry into the torturing of our prisoners in Afghanistan.
It's the party and the movement of holocaust deniers, evolution deniers, global warming deniers, and WMD believers.
It's a party and a movement that doesn't blink an eye at police-brutality but which shits its pants at the thought of the acceptability of homosexuality.
I can't pretend to find anyone who would mindlessly or consciously vote for this pack of lies, stupidity, and cruelty, to be anything other than the way that I've described them.
Which leads me to a further comment to yourself and "the mound of sand": In an recent post I point out that there's cause to believe that bush II's wars have killed perhaps a million people, ... and have clearly caused massive sufferings to millions more.
And yet, here we are, not trying to be "extremist," or "rude," by criticizing the people who would vote for such atrocities, again and again, as shallow and stupid.
How can you "hold your nose" and support a party that's gone so far in the direction of fascism and mass-murder?
There's no defence for such behaviour.
Jennifer Smith,
Thanks for the comment. I hope my elaborations here only clarify my disgust for that party and its supporters.
Jay,
I haven't read it. But now I'm going to. It must've been what uber-moron Margaret Wente at the Globe & Mail was bitching about recently. She said it was stupid and insane. But that can't be, because she's stupid and insane, so she should've liked it if it was.
thwap:
It's perfectly reasonable to disagree with the Harper government on a number of points. It would be unreasonable not to.
But your assessment of the conservative government is completely over the top. You are not in touch with reality.
War mongerers? Jean Chretien got Canada into the Afghanistan war, remember?
Holocaust deniers? Give me a break. Conservatives on the whole are staunch supporters of the state of Israel. I would be more concerned with anti-semitism on the far left these days.
It seems that everything they do you interpret in the most negative and prejudicial way possible, thus feeding and reinforcing your hatred.
Rabbit,
"War mongerers? Jean Chretien got Canada into the Afghanistan war, remember?"
The subject is Conservative Party of Canada supporters. I think the Liberal Party of Canada is a blight on the political landscape, but I mentioned earlier that voters for the Liberal Party can at least claim to have been duped by their party's compassionate rhetoric. Regarding Afghanistan and the rest of the bullshit "war on terror," there are light-years separating the nature of the Liberal and Conservative parties' approaches to this issue.
The CPC approach appears to be to mindlessly embrace combat operations and dancing around the heels of the US super-power like a happily subservient dog.
Who could vote for such nonsense without being an idiot or an ignoramus themselves?
I'm well aware that it was the revolting Liberals who got us into this mess.
"Holocaust deniers? Give me a break. Conservatives on the whole are staunch supporters of the state of Israel. I would be more concerned with anti-semitism on the far left these days."
here's the definition of the word "holocaust":
1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.
I'm referring to the quite clearly evident holocaust of the Iraqi people under bush II's reign of terror. But "conservatives" are also keen on denying the sufferings of Canada's First Nations and denigrating their calls for justice.
They're also a bunch of repressed closet-cases and religious freaks. And ass-wipes.
"It seems that everything they do you interpret in the most negative and prejudicial way possible, thus feeding and reinforcing your hatred."
Well, gee-whiz willikers, golly-gee, ... there's a lot to fucking hate. :)
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